Climate "Scientists" Propose Global One-child Policy, Socialism, Taxes, Carbon Rationing
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Climate "Scientists" Propose Global One-child Policy, Socialism, Taxes,
Carbon Rationing

Written by Alex Newman
Tuesday, 07 December 2010 14:03

Among the climate “solutions” proposed by scientists, officials, and
others for the Cancun COP16 “global-warming” summit are ideas like a
global “one-child policy” modeled on Communist China’s brutal system,
a carbon rationing scheme for every person on Earth, world socialism,
and a series of global taxes paid to the United Nations.

Prominent "scientists" have offered some of the more extreme
suggestions. Professor Kevin Anderson, for example, director of a
“Centre for Climate Change Research” in the U.K., authored a paper
urging the adoption of a World War II-style rationing system — for
carbon: “The Second World War and the concept of rationing is
something we need to seriously consider if we are to address the scale
of the problem we face,” Anderson explained in an article, urging
world rulers to limit electricity and prohibit food imports, among
other things.

“I am not saying we have to go back to living in caves,” he said. “Our
emissions were a lot less ten years ago and we got by ok then.” His
suggestion would involve a total freeze on economic growth in
developed countries and “carbon rations” for every person on the

Perhaps trying to make his colleagues seem moderate by comparison,
another British scientist writing for the Royal Society said such
drastic measures would not be enough to stave off “global warming.”
“Peak warming is determined by the total amount of carbon dioxide we
release into the atmosphere, not the rate we release it in any given
year,” claimed Oxford University physicist Myles Allen.

The idea of a global “one-child policy” modeled after Communist
China’s has also been a hot topic, but not just among Chinese
communists. In fact, it has even attracted the support of CNN boss Ted
Turner, who urged world leaders to adopt the barbaric tactics at a
luncheon in Cancun over the weekend. “If we’re going to be here [as a
species] 5,000 years from now, we’re not going to do it with seven
billion people,” said Turner, who already has five children of his

Economist Brian O’Neill of the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric
Research, who also spoke at the luncheon, presented a study claiming
that population growth was bad for the planet. He suggested that
“family planning” — code words for abortion and birth control — should
be made universally available to help limit emissions.

The Chinese regime is still hoping to implement its family policy
worldwide, though it drew strong condemnation when it was proposed at
the COP15 global-warming summit in Copenhagen last year. The communist
government frequently brags that its brutal scheme — which includes
forced abortions for women with more than one child — has helped limit
“emissions” by reducing the number of children, possibly by as much as
half of a billion.

Then, of course, are calls from “scientists” for a carbon tax, a
particularly popular proposal among cash-strapped Western regimes that
fund the scientists. “What the world needs now is a bold,
experimental, daring step — to simply try out something that has never
been done before, and that is a global carbon tax,” urged Professor
Johan Rockström of the Stockholm Environment Institute in an interview
with a Singaporean paper.

“It will be a crazy step, a daring step, but something the world
simply needs to experiment with,” he said, proposing carbon taxes as
high as $40 per ton of CO2. “And you set that up as a global
mechanism,” using the money raised for so-called “development.”
“That might be what we might need to turn things around in the short
term,” Rockström added.

There are several other proposals for global taxation that are also
gaining traction at the conference. Those include a tax on aviation
and shipping paid directly to the UN or a similar tax on banking and
financial transactions, also paid straight into global coffers. Before
the climate summit in Cancun had even started, the UN put out a
document proposing its global taxation schemes. What will come of them
remains to be seen.

As The New American reported last week, another idea being pushed in
Cancun would ban incandescent light bulbs and kerosene lamps
worldwide. That plan is backed by a coalition of governments, the UN,
several humongous corporations, and various communist dictatorships.
The cost would be enormous. And the wisdom of using the far more
expensive CFL bulbs — which contain the toxic element mercury — is
still a matter of great debate.

Another radical proposal coming from a powerful coalition of radical
leftist regimes in Latin America involves killing what little is left
of the free market. “The environmental imbalance capitalism has caused
is without doubt the fundamental cause of the alarming atmospheric
phenomena," wrote socialist Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez in his
most current column, referring to recent rains that have washed away
some shanty towns in his socialist “utopia”. He blamed the deluges on

"The world's powerful economies insist on a destructive way of life
and then refuse to take any responsibility," Chavez added. Other
regimes, including that of Bolivian leader Evo Morales, have echoed
Chavez’ call to end “capitalism,” transfer the wealth it produced to
Third World countries, and implement global socialism.

There are numerous other extreme proposals coming from global
bureaucrats and scientists riding the climate gravy train. How far
they will get, however, remains to be seen, as newspapers and
columnists around the world continue to ridicule the whole confab and
its theories and ideas. Analysts have even suggested the "global-
warming scam" is unraveling.

For now, “climate negotiators” are trying to figure out how to extort
$100 billion a year from “rich countries” for a “Green” slush fund.
Agreed to in Copenhagen last year with the help of bribery, espionage,
and threats from American and European officials, the fund would
supposedly hand out money to corrupt Third World regimes to deal with
the alleged threat of “global warming”.
2011-02-16 12:00:01 UTC
Australian climate action 'influences US'

Paul Osborne, AAP Senior Political Writer

Feb 7, 2011 - 1:19PM

The Gillard govt's key climate advisor says Australia's move to put a
price on carbon could help pressure the United States and Canada to take
action on greenhouse emissions.

Prof Ross Garnaut on Mon released the second of his updates to his landmark 2008
report on climate change, looking at recent global action and Australia's effort

Australia had to date been "a drag on the global mitigation effort", he said
in his report.

But putting a price on carbon - the subject of talks between the govt,
industry, community groups and a multi-party cabinet committee with a view to
legislating by the end of the y - could go a long way to addressing this.

"If Australia were to introduce a carbon price, one that was seen as
commensurate with carbon prices in other countries, it would cease to be a
drag on international mitigation," Prof Garnaut wrote.

"Australian success in introducing a carbon price is likely to assist the
United States and Canada to maintain momentum in policies to reduce emissions."

Prof Garnaut said international meetings in Copenhagen in 2009 and Cancun in
2010 had led to a "messy world" in terms of emission targets.

But he remained hopeful of a "comprehensive and binding international agreement"
that was necessary to avoid the high risks of dangerous climate change.

"Most developed countries - members of the European Union, Japan, New Zealand
and now Korea - are reasonably well placed to make full contributions to
achieving strong global mitigation goals," he said.

China's efforts would be crucial because it was the world's largest source of
greenhouse gas emissions.

China was having success with nuclear power, the cost of which was coming
close - in some regions of the country - to being economically competitive
with coal, Prof Garnaut said.

But the 3 countries that remained the largest drags on cutting emissions
were the 3 highest per capita emitters: Australia, Canada and the US.

The Republican majority in the US House of Representatives includes many
members opposed to the Obama administration's climate action.

Canada has hitched itself to the "American wagon" and regional partnerships
could be a good 1st step if a global agreement could not be reached.

Under the partnerships, one developed nation or a regional body could take
responsibility for putting in place ways to measure and verify climate action.

Then targets could be revised as countries in other parts of the world come to
a global agreement.

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[W]omen are easier prey for scams such as The Great Global Warming Hoax!
-- ***@27-32-240-172.static.tpgi.com.au [86 nyms and counting], 7 Feb 2011 11:28 +1100
Mr Robot
2011-02-19 03:00:02 UTC
Cut foreign aid to help recovery

[Opposition leader and former Jesuit Tony Abbott has called on cuts to
foreign aid to Indonesia and other neighbours to fund the recovery
from the summer of devastation. In his own words, it's all about the
message. In times of crisis -- so the message goes -- it's every
nation for itself].

Don D'Cruz
The Courier-Mail
Feb 9, 2011 8:21AM

We need to cut our foreign aid budget to help in the reconstruction of
Queensland and in getting its people back on their feet.

There are 3 main reasons we should look for savings within the aid budget.

First, the aid budget is set for a massive increase in the next few y and
there is room for cuts. According to AusAID, the agency that hands out our
foreign aid, our aid budget is about $4.3 bn. According to AusAID
projections, this will increase to $8.49 bn in 2015-16.

PM Julia Gillard is wrong when she says "there are no easy
savings." It is possible to achieve significant cost savings by simply
deferring these big increases for a couple of y until Queenslanders are back
on their feet.

Repairing the Australian economy will generate income more quickly and
efficiently than any aid dollars will do in less-developed countries.

Had the Gillard Government been smart, it would have saved money here instead
of imposing a new flood tax (levy) on people.

The second reason to look at foreign aid for savings is that, based on past
performance, it is impossible to justify the current levels of spending, let
alone a massive increase.

Papua New Guinea is a neat example as to how badly the Australian foreign aid
dollar has been spent.

If the Australian foreign aid dollar was guaranteed to be spent wisely then
calls for cuts would have no basis.

Unfortunately, the story of foreign aid is one of mismanagement, waste and
corruption. The reality of foreign aid has nothing to do with the misleading
foreign aid advertisements on television.

The 3rd reason for looking for cuts in foreign aid is that there is fat in the
existing aid budget.

AusAID has more money than it knows what to do with judging from some of the
things it is funding.

When asked about foreign aid, Gillard said on radio: "I think Australians are
a generous nation and we do go to the assistance of other countries for
poverty alleviation, kids that are literally at risk of starvation."

Hiding behind starving children is a familiar trick that defenders of foreign
aid use in order to escape scrutiny. Only a tiny portion of the aid budget,
maybe 2 per cent, deals with children at risk of starvation.

Much more aid money is spent "buying" votes for Australia's bid for a UN
Security Council seat. It's a waste and must be stopped.

Beyond this, if you go through the aid budget you will be able to find no
shortage of silliness being bankrolled by the long-suffering Australian
taxpayer. All it requires is someone to go through the projects and ask the
sort of tough questions that AusAID seems incapable of doing.

Our foreign aid budget can sustain substantial cuts that won't hurt people in
the Third World and will still allow us to maintain a strong presence in our
neighbourhood, where there is no shortage of the world's poorest people.

It's time we stopped making excuses and focused on our own first. [I thought
that *was* excuse #1].

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[A]s a Conservative, I have no tolerance for ambiguity.
-- ***@27-32-240-172 [86 nyms and counting], 14 Jan 2011 14:46 +1100
Mr Robot
2011-02-24 05:00:33 UTC
Gillard, Greens unveil fixed carbon price

Bernard Keane
24 Feb 2011

The government and the Greens today unveiled the 1st concrete result from the
cross-party "Climate Change Committee" process established following the 2010
election, a commitment to start carbon pricing via a fixed carbon price.

The agreement announced this morning proposes a process involving:

* a carbon pricing scheme to start on July 1, 2012, based on an emissions
trading scheme with a fixed price (as yet undecided) for permits;

* an initial fixed carbon permit price for 3-5 y -- possibly out to 2017;

* fixed price period to be followed by a transition to a flexible price-based
scheme with a price linked to international markets and a 2020 carbon
reduction target;

* the length of initial period to be established in coming months;

* scheme "hard-wired" to move to a flexible price system but with a review of
transition to cap-and-trade a y out from commencement, with the possibility
the transition may be delayed depending on the outcome of the review;

* agriculture omitted from the scheme; it will cover the stationary energy
sector, transport sector, the industrial processes sector, fugitive
emissions (other than from decommissioned coal mines) and emissions from
non-legacy waste. Climate Change Minister Greg Combet noted that a phased
approach may be adopted in relation to different sectors;

* compensation yet to be determined but "the overall package should take
appropriate account of impacts on the competitiveness of all Australian
industries, and the principle of energy security recognised that the
introduction of the carbon price should be accompanied by measures that are
necessary for maintaining energy security."

The framework has been agreed between the government and the Greens but other
members of the Climate Change Committee, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor, have
only agreed to the release of framework to enable consultation.

This first, heavily caveated and detail-light announcement of a carbon price
commitment reflects Labor's decision late last y to abandon its pre-election
recalcitrance on carbon pricing and participate in a process proposed by the
Greens to break the Parliamentary deadlock on passing a carbon pricing scheme
to start by July 1, 2012, legislated after the Greens take the balance of
power in the Senate on July 1. It represents a win for the Greens, who
proposed an initial fixed price followed by a cap-and-trade scheme in 2010,
and received the backing of Professor Ross Garnaut in doing so.

It also reflects a shift in thinking not merely within official circles but
more widely that a fixed-price/carbon tax-type approach may be a simpler and
more workable carbon abatement mechanism than a more complex cap-and-trade
scheme until there is a robust international agreement for carbon trading. The
Rudd government's refusal to explain its Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme and
sell the case for climate change action set the scene for a political shift
against Labor on the issue, climaxing in the Rudd government abandoning the
CPRS in May last year.

Windsor insisted he was not yet committed to the proposal, saying today's
announcement was only "the start" of further discussions.

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[On knowing your constituents:]
I always thought faremers were a gullible bunch!
-- ***@27-32-240-172 [86 nyms and counting], 9 Feb 2011 12:09 +1100
Mr Robot
2011-02-24 11:30:39 UTC
MP demands flood funding equity

ABC News
Feb 21, 2011 13:24:00

The state Member for Stuart says flood affected roads in country South
Australia should get similar funding to flooded areas in central Queensland.

The Federal Government still needs to secure the support of independent
Senator Nick Xenophon for its flood levy bill to pass in both houses of

Dan van Holst Pellekaan says towns in country S Australia should be
eligible to get similar assistance.

"In Queensland they manage to get support from the Federal Government
for this flood damage but we don't seem to be able to do that," he

"It happened a few m later ... 1k km away but it is exactly the same
flood, so we should be entitled to exactly the same support."

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This ***global warming**** appears to be HIGHLY LOCALISED!
-- ***@27-32-240-172 [86 nyms and counting], 5 Feb 2011 21:59 +1100
Of course "global temperature are rising", we're emerging from an ICE AGE!!
-- ***@27-32-240-172 [86 nyms and counting], 8 Feb 2011 12:22 +1100
Mr Posting Robot
2011-02-26 01:13:19 UTC
No carbon tax, but power levy up [S Africa]

Fiona Macleod
Mail & Guardian

Carbon taxes have been shelved for a year, but the levy on electricity
generated from non-renewable and nuclear energy will rise from 0,5c/kWh to
2,5c/kWh from April.

Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan said the levy would not have an impact on
electricity tariffs because it had already been factored into the National
Energy Regulators approved tariff structure for 2010 to 2013, in which power
prices would rise by an average of 25% a year.

Carbon taxes would be dealt with in the 2012 budget, he said. Treasury
released a discussion paper last Dec proposing several options, including a
R75/tonne tax on CO2 emissions and comments were expected by the end of Feb.

Whether the increased electricity levy would be spent on subsidising the
roll-out of renewable energy sources was not stipulated.

But Gordhan did set aside R66,5-million in the 2011 budget for the
establishment of a S African Energy Development Institute to conduct research
and development into energy-efficient technologies. Funding for the institute
is part of the R369,7-million allocated to the energy department over the next
3 y to support demand-side energy reductions.

Research and development conducted by this institute will support
energy-efficiency objectives pioneered through the electricity demand-side
management grant, which is scheduled to come to an end at the end of 2011-12,
said the Budget Review. Gordhan also dedicated R800-million to green economy
initiatives over 3 years, but said specific allocations would be made in the
adjustments budget.

The government has pledged to reduce domestic greenhouse gas emissions by 34%
by 2020 and by 42% by 2025.

Parliamentary hearings into a draft climate change policy to achieve this are
due in early March.

Unlike the State of the Nation address, the budget speech did mention the
global climate change negotiations, dubbed COP17 (Conference of Parties 17),
that will be hosted in Durban from late Nov. Gordhan said funding had been
provided for COP17. Exactly how much is expected to be outlined in Environment
and Water Affairs Minister Edna Molewas budget.

Inclusive growth also means addressing the climate change challenges that
confront the long-term global outlook, Gordhan said.

Mitigation initiatives are not just about reducing the dangers associated with
a hotter future, they also offer significant opportunities to create jobs and
reduce costs in our economy.

He allocated R2,2-billion over 3 y for environmental employment programmes and
said there were additional allocations for efforts to prevent wildlife
trafficking and improve air quality, coastal management and waste disposal.

The budget also set aside R225-million in the medium-term expenditure
framework to tackle the threats of acid mine drainage (AMD) caused by gold
mining in Gauteng. AMD was in the headlines this wk after the Cabinet approved
recommendations made by a team of experts and National Planning Commission
Minister Trevor Manuel said there was no need to panic about the toxic tide

The expert report, which sets out control measures to reduce the rate of
flooding, is expected to be made public on Thu.

The R225-million allocation will be used to construct a pump station on the E
Rand that will be in operation by the end of next y to divert polluted water.

Other measures include ingress control, removing harmful deposits and
improving water quality.

Gordhan also announced bulk-water infrastructure allocations, including
R1-billion for the completion of bulk distribution pipelines for the De Hoop
dam in Limpopo and R952-million for regional bulk infrastructure. He
allocated R450-million for mitigation and drought relief in the Nelson Mandela
Bay metropole.

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[If I make history stop in 1899 things can not get worse:]
Yes, but [Yasi was] not as bad as the cat 5 Mahina in 1899!
And what about 1918 when Qld had TWO CAT 5 CYCLONES!
The more things change the more they stay the same.
-- ***@27-32-240-172 [86 nyms and counting], 3 Feb 2011 16:09 +1100
Mr Posting Robot
2011-02-27 03:52:29 UTC
PM chides Greens for pushing petrol tax [Australia]

Feb 27, 2011 - 10:49AM

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has chided the Australian Greens for suggesting a
carbon tax should be applied to petrol.

A carbon price regime is scheduled to start in July 2012, but decisions are
yet to be made on what sectors are included.

Agriculture will be excluded but a tax could still apply to the transport and
energy sectors.

Greens deputy leader Christine Milne - a member of the multi-party climate
change committee - is pushing to have petrol included so funds can be directed
towards greener public transport.

But Ms Gillard has admonished Senator Milne for making this suggestion.

"I understand that the deputy leader of the Greens, Christine Milne, made some
statements about this matter," she told the 9 Network.

"Those statements, in my view, were not appropriate in the sense these
discussions are still to come and discussions are to be taken."

Greens leader Bob Brown said a carbon tax on petrol would not disadvantage
motorists, provided appropriate compensation measures were in place.

"Our job is to ensure that the average Australian household and car user is
not punished by a carbon price," he told Network Ten on Sun.

"The idea here is to make the polluters pay."

Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said any discussion about price impacts
would not be informed.

"It is far too early to be speculating about particular price impacts, what
may be in, what may be out and how it will be treated," he told ABC

Mr Combet said a carbon price would be targeted at large industrial polluters,
with key decisions about household assistance to be made in the next 4 to 5

But it would be impractical to made key decisions before the Greens took the
Senate balance of power in July, he said.

"I just don't think it's feasible to do so, to be practical about it," he

Ms Gillard has admitted she promised there would be no carbon tax during the
election and said circumstances had changed.

She qualified her comments made a wk before the August 2010 poll, arguing her
government had wanted to legislate for an emissions trading scheme.

"Yes, I did say that and circumstances have changed," she said.

"What my vision was was to be elected as PM and to introduce an emissions
trading scheme, which is not a carbon tax."

With the electorate returning a hung parliament, Ms Gillard was forced to deal
with the Greens to form a minority government.

The pact led to the establishment of a multi-party climate change committee,
which included Greens and independent members.

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said business needed the certainty of a
carbon price.

"It is economically irresponsible not to make some dramatic, important steps
to try and address this problem," Senator Conroy told Sky News.

"Businesses are not investing in critical infrastructure like generators of
electricity because there is no certainty here."

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[Something about "warm bath in sanctimony"]
Pop over to Tim Blair's for a look.
-- ***@27-32-240-172 [86 nyms and counting], 14 Feb 2011 14:39 +1100
Mr Posting Robot
2011-02-28 04:41:52 UTC
Tony Windsor says Abbott promised to do 'anything' to secure power [Aust]

[While opposition leader Tony Abbott has broken my sanctimony meter
calling the PM a "liar" over carbon price/tax Labor and the Greens
worked out to form govt, a key rural indep indicates the Libs were
also willing to "work out something" to get into office].

Carbon rhetoric ramps up as parliament returns

The carbon tax debate will light up federal parliament this wk - and for m to co

James Massola
The Australian
Feb 28, 2011 1:56PM

Independent MP Tony Windsor says Tony Abbott promised to do "anything" to
secure power following the August 21 election last year.

Mr Windsor said he believed that would have included undertakings on climate
change if he'd asked for them.

"One of the things I can say that Tony Abbott did say during those discussions
was that he would do anything to gain power. Anything," Mr Windsor said today.

"So I would presume that that would mean that if there were demands made in
terms of climate change or anything else, that would have been on the table."

Mr Abbott later said he'd made no offer to Mr Windsor on climate change

"I was absolutely crystal clear throughout those 17 days, we had a strong,
effective, direct action policy (to reduce carbon emissions)," he said.

Mr Windsor's comments came at the launch of a Climate Institute study which
said a carbon price of about $45 per tonne could create 34k net jobs across
the Australian economy by 2030.

He called on the Greens to moderate their demands on the inclusion of petrol
in the carbon tax.

"The Greens might think that everyone has a bike track to ride to work on but
they haven't in regional Australia, and they don't have public transport," he sa

Mr Windsor backed fellow independent Andrew Wilkie in defending Julia
Gillard's decision to introduce a carbon tax, saying the debate had
degenerated to the point where it was now an argument about whether the Prime
Minister Gillard lied about a carbon tax.

"The substantive issue is much bigger than that. It is potentially about the
future of the globe," he said.

"If they (the scientists) are right and we do nothing what have we done? If
they are wrong and we do something, we probably have tidied up our backyard at
some expense.

"In a sense it's a no-brainer that we need to do something."

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[Weather is responsible for climate change:]
And that's the only reason for the heat!
Strong northeast winds being superheated desert air from the inland to the
the southern capitals.
-- ***@27-32-240-172 [86 nyms and counting], 31 Jan 2011 13:42 +1100
Mr Posting Robot
2011-02-28 21:30:01 UTC
Billions spent on fossil fuel incentives

Adam Morton
March 1, 2011

Taxpayers spend about 12 times more encouraging the use of fossil fuels than
on climate change programs - and the sum is growing.

Fossil fuel incentives and subsidies will cost about $12.2 bn this financial
year, compared with $1.1 bn spent on programs designed to cut greenhouse gas
emissions and boost clean energy research.

An Australian Conservation Foundation analysis found the cost of the
incentives has increased by $1.6 bn since 2007-08, the final y of the
Howard government, while spending on climate programs had risen just $500
million. The biggest fossil fuel incentives were in unclaimed revenue,
including about $5 bn in fuel tax rebates for greenhouse-intensive industries.

More than $1.1 bn was spent on fringe benefits tax concessions for company

Don Henry, executive director of the Australian Conservation Foundation, said
the government must cut fossil fuel incentives at the May budget if it was to
convince people it was serious about tackling climate change. Keeping them
would undermine the value of a carbon tax, he said. "Funding these is bad for
the climate and it is bad economics."

The analysis comes as documents released under freedom-of-information laws
showed bureaucrats had identified up to 17 programs costing more than $8 bn a
y that could have to be cut for Australia to meet a Group of 20 agreement that
member countries would eliminate inefficient fossil fuel subsidies that led to
wasteful consumption.

Mr Henry said the tax concession for company cars was a "virtual pollution
factory" that emitted as much as a medium-sized coal-fired plant each year.

Adam Collins, spokesman for the Treasurer, Wayne Swan, said none of the
programs qualified as subsidies under the G20 definition.

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Check the dates and times when Bozo posts. It's a 5 day Monday-Friday 8
hour working week.
-- Tom P, 26 Nov 2008
Mr Posting Robot
2011-03-07 05:30:02 UTC
Aust businesses will demand compensation

March 07, 2011

Rio Tinto says businesses will demand Julia Gillard's carbon tax scheme offer
more compensation, after the international community's failure to reach a deal
on carbon prices.

Rio Tinto's Australian managing director David Peever warns that a carbon
price will be disastrous in a downturn for businesses unable to pass on the
extra costs to their customers.

Mr Peever, a member of the federal government's business roundtable on climate
change, says Rio Tinto's annual carbon tax bill would be about $154 mn if the
tax was set at $20 a tonne for every tonne of carbon pollution.

Meanwhile, oil and gas giant Woodside Petroleum is calling for the company's
trade-exposed exports to be exempt from any price on carbon, given the absence
of an international agreement on pricing greenhouse gas emissions.

Woodside says the government's framework needs to recognise that LNG is a
cleaner fuel.

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[Irony 101:]
[By my count BONZO has called people whacko 137 times; fool 26; idiot
22 times; twit 17 times; moron 14 times in just the past 4 wks. There
is a 10+-year history, however].
Warmist Abuse Shows They're Losing
-- ***@27-32-240-172 [86 nyms and counting], 16 Feb 2011 17:15 +1100
Mr Posting Robot
2011-03-07 10:30:03 UTC
Carbon tax will inspire people's revolt: Abbott

Tim Leslie
ABC News
Feb 24, 2011 14:39:00

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says Julia Gillard's announcement of a carbon
price is a "betrayal of the Australian people" and predicts a "people's
revolt" in response.

Ms Gillard says the Government's scheme will be rolled out from July 2012,
with the price on carbon to be fixed for a period of 3 to 5 y before moving
to a cap-and-trade system.

She says it is vital Australia not be left behind in efforts to combat climate

"There are some people that will say we can't afford to move to a clean energy
future. I disagree with that. We can't afford not to move to a clean energy
future," she said.

But Mr Abbott says the plan is an assault on the Australian people's standard
of living.

"We will fight this every second of every minute of every hour of every day of
every wk of every month," he said.

"I don't believe it's going to happen because I think there will be a people's
revolt. They will see this as an assault on their standard of living, which is
exactly what it is."

He says the PM has broken her election promise not to implement a carbon tax.

"Today's announcement is an utter betrayal of the Australian people, and if
people could not trust her on this, they can't trust her on anything," he said.

"The price of this betrayal will be paid every day by every Australian.

"Every time you turn on the lights, you will pay under Labor's carbon
tax. Every time you go to the petrol pump, you will pay under Labor's carbon

'Vote for change'

But Ms Gillard says the election has given her the mandate to introduce a
carbon price.

"The Australian people have voted for change. They voted for a carbon price,
and this Parliament gives us the opportunity," she told Parliament.

The PM announced details of the scheme at a joint press conference with Greens
leader Bob Brown and Senator Christine Milne, as well as independent MPs Rob
Oakeshott and Tony Windsor.

The carbon price will increase annually and funds generated will be used to
compensate households and increase energy efficiency in the economy.

Agricultural emissions will initially be excluded from the scheme but farmers
will be compensated for any efforts they make to cut emissions.

The Government is expected to announce more details of the plan, including the
initial price, at a later date.

'Start of process'

Senator Milne called the framework agreement "a victory for minority

"It's happening because we have shared power in Australia. Majority government
would not have delivered this outcome," she said.

But Mr Windsor warned his presence at the announcement did not mean he would
support any legislation.

"This is very much the start of the process in my view. There's a lot of
discussion to take place on this issue. What we've established today is a
framework," he said.

"That doesn't mean the game is over... don't construe, through my presence
here, that I'll be supporting any scheme."

And Climate Change Minister Greg Combet warned the major stumbling blocks of
compensation and pricing remain before the committee.

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I always thought faremers were a gullible bunch!
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Mr Posting Robot
2011-06-21 09:30:02 UTC
[coal lobby spin]
Climate debate turns nasty as Australia tries to price CO2

David Fogarty
Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:32am EDT

Singapore (Reuters) - Australian climate scientists say they have received
death threats, emails with sexual slurs and other insults in a surge of abuse
that appears to be a coordinated campaign of intimidation.

The threats have come as the government tries to step up the fight against
climate change by trying to win agreement on a deeply unpopular scheme to
price carbon emissions, which the political opposition says will cost jobs and
raise fuel and power prices.

Anna-Maria Arabia of the Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological
Societies said she received a death threat on Mon and that police were
investigating the threat.

"There's no doubt that there is an orchestrated campaign," Arabia told Reuters.

"I think there are political motivations, people who have a view for and
against the response to the climate science and are using as their outlet an
attack on the scientists. So it may be people who don't agree that there
should be a carbon tax."

Climate scientists globally have been attacked in emails and blogs and for
several years, with campaigns in the United States linked to funding by big
energy and chemical firms fearing costs from policies that curb greenhouse gas e

Others have been linked to people railing against what they perceive as
governments impinging on their freedoms.

But the cyber abuse seems to have stepped up in Australia at a time when the
country has been ravaged 1st by drought, deadly bushfires and then floods that
killed dozens of people and cost the economy billions of dollars, prompting
debate on the real cause of the extreme weather.

"I don't think it's an accident that this nastiness is emerging at a time of
extreme political debate in this country about what issues Australia as a
society should take to minimize the impact of climate change," said Suzanne
Cory, president of the Australian Academy of Science.


The Academy, a fellowship of Australia's top scientists, has condemned the
abuse of climate scientists and Cory called for perpetrators to be exposed.

She said many Australians were conflicted about climate change, despite the
increase in bad weather.

"Many Australians are very concerned about doing something on climate
change. On the other hand, many Australians are feeling the pinch financially
and they worry about arguments that say they will be worse off," she told Reuter

Corey said many Australians were vulnerable to people seeking to take
advantage of the confusion, given the often complex nature of climate change sci

The Academy, the country's top science and research body the CSIRO and the
government have stepped up a public education drive about the science and
impacts of global warming, such as more extreme droughts, floods, fires and
rising seas.

This month, the government said coastal assets such as roads, rail and
commercial buildings worth $226 bn were at risk from rising sea levels. On
Mon, the CSIRO formally launched a Web site that allows the public to see raw
greenhouse gas measurement data -- www.csiro.au/greenhouse-gases/ .

The site shows measurements of carbon dioxide, methane and other gases from a
remote location in Tasmania. The data shows that levels of carbon dioxide, the
main greenhouse gas, have risen 40% since the 1800s because of human
activities and are at the highest level in more than one mn years.

Efforts to price carbon emissions in Australia, a top coal exporter and
heavily reliant on coal for power, have polarized the political debate,
pitting the government's efforts to rein in rising emissions with an
opposition scare campaign on costs.

The Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies has
launched a campaign to demand policymakers respect science. In the meantime,
some scientists have moved to more secure offices or limited their public engage

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A scientist cites a data point that is consistent with a trend and
says "This data is consistent with the trend; no surprise".
A kook cites a data point inconsistent with the trend and says "Surprise!
The trend is Wrong Wrong Wrong!".
Mr Posting Robot v2.1
2011-07-10 04:53:04 UTC
[mining lobby spin]
Australia unveils biggest carbon-reduction scheme outside Europe

Rob Taylor
Jul 10, 2011 12:05am EDT

* Govt rolls out carbon price scheme
* Tax cuts to sooth wary voters, aid for business
* Govt has the support needed to pass the scheme
* Opponents to roll out anti-tax campaign

Canberra, July 10 (Reuters) - Australia unveiled plans on Sun to slap a carbon
tax of A$23 a tonne on its 500 worst polluters from 2012, sweetened by tax
cuts for voters fearing higher energy bills, and paved the way for the largest
emissions-trading scheme outside Europe.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard said steel and aluminium manufacturers and other
polluters would pay a A$23 ($24.70) price rising by 2.5% a year, before the
minority government moved to a controversial market-based emissions scheme in

"Australians want to do the right thing by the environment," said Gillard,
whose country is the rich world's worst per capita greenhouse gas emitter due
to a heavy reliance on ageing coal-fired power stations for electricity.

Gillard, whose popularity has slumped to record lows over plans to price
carbon and drive up household energy costs, said the plan would cut 159 mn
tonnes of carbon pollution in 2020, reducing emissions by 5% over 2000 levels.

"That is why the Gillard government is implementing a comprehensive plan for a
clean energy future for our nation. It's time to get on with this, we are
going to get this done," she told reporters.

The stakes are high for ruling Labor, which has just a one-seat lower house
majority, but the package already has the support of the Greens and key
independents, giving her the numbers she needs to pass it through
parliament. 2 previous attempts in 2009 were defeated.

But the danger is that a vigorous campaign by the conservative opposition and
business groups opposed to the tax, could erode public support below already
shaky levels and frighten political backers ahead of elections due by 2013.


Australia's scheme will cover 60% of carbon pollution apart from exempted
agricultural and light vehicle emissions, with Treasury models showing it
would boost the consumer price index by 0.7% in its 1st year, in 2012-13

It could also aid global efforts to fight carbon pollution, which have largely
stalled since US President Barack Obama last y ruled out a federal climate
bill this term. Outside the EU, only New Zealand has a national scheme in

"This is a transparent carbon pricing framework for the long term and we
welcome it. The addition of the independent Climate Change Authority to
recommend targets will ensure the science and economics get a fair hearing in
future," said Nathan Fabian, CEO of the Investor Group on Climate Change.

Australia said it hoped to link its scheme, which would cost A$4.4 bn to
implement after household and industry compensation, to other international
carbon markets and land abatement schemes when its emissions-trading market
was running.

Europe's system, which covers the 27 EU member states plus Norway, Iceland and
Liechtenstein, has forced power producers to pay for carbon emissions, driving
cuts where power plants were forced to switch to less carbon-emitting natural
gas or biomass.


Gillard said her government would spend A$9.2 bn over the 1st 3 y of the
scheme to ensure heavy polluting industries like steel and aluminium
production were not killed off, and help close the oldest and dirtiest power

Assistance would come from free carbon permits covering 94.5% of costs for
companies involved in the most emissions intensive and trade exposed sectors
like aluminium smelters and steel manufacturers, while moderate emitting
export industries would get 66% of permits for free.

Coal miners, including global giants Xstrata Ltd and the coal arms of BHP
Billiton , would be eligible for a A$1.3 bn compensation package to help the
most emissions intensive mines adjust to the tax, which would add an average
A$1.80 per tonne to the cost of mining coal.

Australia, a major coal exporter, relies on coal for 80% of electricity
generation, which in turn accounts for 37% of national emissions.

The government would also set up loan guarantees for electricity generators
through a new Energy Security Fund, to help the industry refinance loans of
between A$9 bn and A$10 bn over the next 5 years.

The government would fund the shut-down or partial closure of the dirtiest
brown coal generators in Victoria state and remove up to 2k megawatts of
capacity by 2020, replacing them with cleaner gas, while short-term loans
would help them re-finance debt and buy permits.

Australia's booming liquefied natural gas (LNG) sector, which is due to decide
on A$90 bn worth of new projects, would also be included in the scheme,
despite calls for 100% protection. The sector will receive 50% assistance,
Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said.

Steelmakers, including Australia's largest, BlueScope and OneSteel Ltd , will
receive 94.5% of free permits and A$300 mn in grants to help support jobs.

Agriculture will be exempt, but the government wants farmers and foresters to
cash in on carbon offsets through its carbon farming initiative, which will
allow offsets through forestry, changes to land clearing, savannah burning and
animal management.

The scheme also set-up a A$10 bn Clean Energy Finance Corporation to fund new
renewable and cleaner generation capacity, like wind, solar, gas and wave
power plants.

"This is the moment where Australia turns its back on the fossil fuel age, and
turns its face towards the greatest challenge of the 21st century, and that is
addressing global warming," said Australian Greens deputy leader Christine
Milne, whose party wields the balance of power in the upper house.

To sooth belligerent voters, with polls showing 60% opposition to a carbon
tax, the government has offered tax cuts to low and middle-income households,
as well as increased state pension and welfare payments.

Treasurer Wayne Swan said all taxpayers earning below A$80k a y would get
tax cuts worth around A$300 a year, which analysts said could actually help
boost the struggling retail sector, where spending has been sluggish.

As well as exempting fuel from the scheme for all motorists except for heavy
transport, the tax-free threshold would also be tripled to A$19,400 by July
2015 when emissions trade began.

"No Australian will pay more tax as a result of these changes," Gillard said.

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Scientists are always changing their story and as a Conservative, I
have no tolerance for ambiguity. It proves that all science is lies
and the only thing we can trust is right wing rhetoric.
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